In my review last week of the annual Aldeburgh Poetry Festival, I made a comment about "the huge gulf that now exists between the American and British approaches to poetry – particularly prose poetry" – which prompted a couple of our regular contributors to ask if we could explain this in a little more depth. Well, I'm not sure if I can as this is the type of topic people write masters degrees about (and as was reported earlier this year, I dropped out of my MA course) nevertheless, here goes...
In my 'umble opinion, English poetry (I'll leave the Scots, Welsh & Northern Irish to fight their own corners) is still obsessed with – form, rhythms, rhymes, metre, iambic pentameters, dactyls and Uncle Tom Tetrameter and all. In otherwords, what I'll call 'old school' or 'proper' poetry – the apostrophes are deliberately ironic. Whereas American poetry has a more fluid approach – placing far greater emphasis upon ideas and content rather than form.
This was highlighted in some of the craft talks at Aldeburgh where we had one (elderly) English poet complaining that some modern poets (I think he had in mind Walt Whitman) were writing nothing more than "versified journals and prose narratives". While another – Clive James (OK, so he's Australian but he's now more of an English 'national treasure') – said that "without form you cannot be expressive". This is in sharp contrast to the largely American prose poem school that believes the constraints of form stifle creativity – because you are forever trying to find words that suit your self imposed rhyme schemes and metres.
I've since discussed this with a couple of other writers who were at Aldeburgh and their comments included the following remarks...
"UK poetry really is stagnating due to its rigid set of rules, isn’t it"
"US poetry has a distinctive style but it has a sense of moving forward, experimentation, variety – whereas quite a lot of British poets just seem to be looking backwards."
"At Aldeburgh, even the ‘new voices’ poets sounded stuffy and two out of three of the Jerwoods: same predictable old rhythms and cadences, lofty ‘poetic’ subjects, even ghastly puns."
"I’m not being critical for the sake of it - I'd wanted to enjoy it and see where the cutting edge was at."
"I believe it’s the elitism here that makes ‘craft’ a higher priority than using poetry to communicate - and those who ignore the rules are labelled lightweight."
Personally I'm starting to wonder whether the big difference between the American and English approaches is that US poets write to perform before wider audiences whereas English poets write to impress other poets?
As mentioned in my original review, one of the best sessions was Me Tarzan, You Jane between the American poets Barbara Hamby and David Kirby – which looked at the concepts of 'ultra-talk' and 'voice'. Here are some more detailed notes on that session taken by my friend, fellow poet and occasional collaborator Beverly Ellis – I'm relying on her notes because (a) I couldn't drag my lazy arse out of bed early enough to catch the start of the session (9:00am on a Sunday morning!!) and (b) because even when I did get there, my faculties hadn't taken on enough caffeine to be capable of note-taking. (I'm not a morning person.) Here are the notes...
* Poetry should be pleasurable, first and foremost. A possible reason for poetry’s current status in the arts may be that providing pleasure has taken a back-seat to being intellectually stimulating. Poems should appeal to the general public, as well as specialist audiences.
* Ultra Talk is NOT the McPoem which just makes an observation about what can be seen in the present moment. It is a bigger poem with more than one voice. These poems should be anecdotes, action-packed, contain references to pop-culture, with many tongues speaking – all linked together, to light up the circuit. Reflection and discourse have a place here, not just visual images used as definition.
* The Ultra Talk poem is not just one voice in a pencil spotlight; others are also present, at least by implication or for part of the time. The ‘I’ of these poems is Everyman. Other characters come in, eg Mother or Grandma via sayings, or what happens in response to: ‘I wonder if…’. The primary narrative voice may act as ‘a policeman busting himself’, eg for earlier self-righteous statements or as exposition.
* The present moment should convey awareness of other times (past/future) or other dimensions. These poems display the neon signs which occur on a narrative journey: movies, not ‘still life’; the images should be operatic, cinematic. The genre of the poem should be similarly inclusive, ie comedy with a dark heart or tragedy which is capable of laughter. There is usually a type of volta/turn in these poems – but in the content (a change of fortune or perspective), eg ‘Why I Hate Martin Frobisher’ by Phyllis Moore. The poems go from A to B, but often via X.
* The drama of the poem should not just exist on stage if/when it is performed, but should all be transferred to the page: put it all in. You don’t have to ‘pack a small suitcase’; you can have a steamer trunk. The language should be imaginative and the writing specific in order to recreate the world of a particular emotion on the page, eg old girlfriends weeping at a man’s funeral (Rodney Jones).
* Ultra Talk poems often have long lines and loose structure, but the style/content can be used within established forms - eg sonnets, acrostics - to push the boundaries of these forms and try to make them work for you. Above all, these poems should be quirky and original, the opposite of the ‘workshop poem’. Both Kirby and Hamby had noted that the undergrads they taught were more prepared to try wild stuff and risk failure than the postgrads who were more ambitious/wanted to teach and so produced technically correct, clever but lifeless writing (‘the dead poems’) and took a hard line on those who are nuttier.
We'll be publishing a couple of Beverly's poems later this week.
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Re: Aldeburgh Part 2 - the great trans-atlantic poetry divide
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Paul Squires
on Tue 18 Nov 2008 04:08 AM GMT | Permanent Link
What a fascinating article. I would agree that American poets have largely given up on the idea of rhythm and rhyme and structure and are largely writing prose with line breaks. The linebreaks seem to be the only thing that marks it as poetry. I don't think of craft as elitism, just as what turns a collection of words into a poem. (Oh by the way, as an Australian I can only say, if you want Clive as a national treasure, you're welcome to him, haha.)
Re: Aldeburgh Part 2 - the great trans-atlantic poetry divide
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ptdiep
on Tue 18 Nov 2008 11:53 AM GMT | Permanent Link
Dear Charles,
Thank you for a fascinating article. May I give my, very personal perspective? I had thought that US poets were actually more form focused than prose focused. It appears I am mistaken. Why? I recently started a webzine for a new poetic form called cleave poetry. (Thank you for publishing the first ever cleave poem here on Ink Sweat and Tears in Easter 2007). Initially a handful of poets from UK took it up but have now given up the ghost. Now mainly US poets are taking it forward and experimenting. My initial thoughts were that form may have put the UK poets off. However, I think form vs prose poetry is a symptom of something deeper. Could it be a symptom of a variance in the willingness to experiment, to make things new? Yours faithfully Phuoc-Tan Diep http://ptdiep.wordpress.com http://cleavepoetry.wordpress.com Re: Aldeburgh Part 2 - the great trans-atlantic poetry divide
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Rob
on Tue 18 Nov 2008 01:30 PM GMT | Permanent Link
I agree there is a gulf between US and UK poetry, but I don't think form is the issue. Knowing how to use form helps any poet to know what he/she is doing, even when they are writing free verse. That awareness is important. Poets who can't be bothered to learn how to use form are simply depriving themselves of useful poetic tools.
Form is only a barrier to creativity if it is used badly. However, it can enhance creativity when used well - look at the writing of UK poets like George Szirtes, AB Jackson, Roddy Lumsden, Edwin Morgan, and more (I just realised that my off-the-cuff examples contain 3 Scottish writers and a Hungarian, but that's just coincidence!). The need to find a rhyme can often force a poet into making an unusual choice rather than the default word that would otherwise have come to mind in a free verse poem. Some of the best current US poets have taken more risks with syntax and structure and have often given more weight to sound, mood and tone than narrative. To me, that's where the real UK/US contrast is found. However, their poems are every bit as much 'crafted' as that of their UK counterparts. I get the feeling that the UK is beginning to shift and to take more risks, so I'm not unhopeful. Thanks for a very interesting article. Re: Re: Aldeburgh Part 2 - the great trans-atlantic poetry divide
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Anonymous
on Wed 19 Nov 2008 06:54 AM GMT | Permanent Link
This is all very interesting and thought provoking. Thank you for posting the original article and following it through- Mandy
Re: Aldeburgh Part 2 - the great trans-atlantic poetry divide
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rachel fox
on Wed 26 Nov 2008 05:15 PM GMT | Permanent Link
I know what you mean but at the same time I think it's very easy to see green grass elsewhere (and I've read Americans moaning about the American poetry 'scene' and poets that are favourites over there just as much as I have more local poets doing the same). Probably audiences enjoy the North American guests so much at an English festival partly because the poets ARE from elsewhere, because they're poets you can't just see fairly regularly at other events in the UK, because they're a relief from our parochial concerns.
I think there are poets of all kinds writing over here AND over there - some more successfully, some less so, some using more traditional poetic form (even if only as a starting point) some not even knowing what any poetic forms are and yet still coming up with brilliant, lifechanging poetry that thrills its readers (yes, it can be done...why should writing poetry be any more predictable than any other artform?). But is Britain a particularly difficult place when it comes to getting new and adventurous poetry heard or read? One problem seems to be that different local camps (if you like) have very different ideas re what constitutes 'new and adventurous poetry'! But is that different here to anywhere else? Is it worse here than anywhere else? I think there is some truth to the usual British snobbish speciality in this regard (we're SO good at that!). Poets here must know their place...'who do you think you are...why on earth should you be in Poetry Review when no-one's ever heard of you etc.' are certainly attitudes that float about unclaimed but felt all the same. Here you are meant to win x competition then appear at y festival then teach z writing course and then you are accepted or some such. Seems crazy to me...and about as exciting as accountancy as a career choice...but there you go...some people like order! |
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